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CLASSICS-L  February 2006, Week 1

CLASSICS-L February 2006, Week 1

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Re: Ares in the OT

From:

Jose Luis Calvo Martinez <[log in to unmask]>

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Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:40:38 +0100

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> I am very interested in what list members think of the interpretation
> outlined below. This is a view that I have not read in any of the standard
> commentaries and studies of the OT, but I think is worth publishing. I
> think it would be appropriate to discuss on-list.
> EJTh
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
>
>> Elias J. Theodoracopoulos wrote:
>>
>> >Ever since Aeschylus played with the etymology of Ares (e.g. Cho. [#?
>> away from
>> books] Ares Arei ksymbalei, Dika Dikai), as one intimately related to
>> ara =
>> "curse", playwrights often make the same connection. It would be wrong,
>> I think,
>> to think of Ares in the OT passages as the god of war whom Homer
>> describes quite
>> eloquently. Rather, we might consider him a god who embodies (a)
>> curse(s), as in
>> the curses of the Spartoi, of Labdacus and Laius and, in anticipation,
>> of
>> Oedipus (against his sons). The curse of Oedipus (Sept. [#?] ara te
>> patros he:
>> megasthene:s) in Septem is connected with the Erinys that leads both
>> sons to
>> their appointed deaths. The hill under which the Erinyes reside in
>> Athens is
>> called the Hill of the Curses (Areios Pagos) in addition to its
>> traditional
>> etymology from Ares (as in Theseus & the Amazons). The Erinyes identify
>> themselves to Athena as the arai (Eum. #?). To conclude: the Homeric
>> Ares does
>> not bring on plagues, but his tragic elaboration, as the!
>> >  embodiment of a curse, does. As such, Ares is an agent of Apollo,
>> anciently
>> *the* bringer of plagues. Sophocles follows Aeschylus's footsteps here,
>> as
>> often.
>> >EJTh
>

I think you are basically right.

1.The god Ares was very important in Literature (Homer), but the least
important of the classic Pantheon (he had very few cults, cf. Farnell, The
Cults of the Greek States, vpl. V part 2; and Roscher, s.v.) although of
late he became a very prominent planet and therefore as influential as any
other in the late astrological "religion" (the Homeric Hymn to Ares,
probably orphic, depicts the god as a cosmic deity!!).

2. The use Homer makes of him (very often Ares is just a metonymy for WAR)
is, in my opinion (and yours) a clear specialization (*shrinking*), due to
the war context of his poems, of a very old (Greek or not Greek) chtonic
divinity relating to violent death. This is why Aeschylus (Choef.) and
Sophocles (OT) go  farther back than Homer does in their conception of
Ares.

3. Usually it is said that his etymology is unknown,so FRISK (Griech.
Etym. Wört. s.u.), etc., but probably the author of Etymologicum Magnum
was right connecting him with *ará* (curse, etc.) In my opinion nothing
prevents us from thinking that the IE. ROOT is the same (it would be
interesting to think also about its relation to *er-i*-s and Erinies often
joined in a text, cf. LSJ s.v., but this is rather uncertain). The tragic
poets certainly did, as you maintain. And I agree.

4. Therefore, I do not quite understand why Ares should be <<an agent of
Apollo, anciently  *the* bringer of plagues>>. Both of them are *bringers
of plagues* on the same level, are they?
Best,

Prof.Dr. JL Calvo Martínez

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