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CLASSICS-L  February 2006, Week 1

CLASSICS-L February 2006, Week 1

Subject:

Obfusc defusked (Was: Meaning and obfuscation)

From:

"James M. Pfundstein" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:58:12 -0500

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On Feb 3, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Hunsucker, R.L. wrote:

> As far as JMP's gut reaction is concerned:

This issue has been on my mind for twenty years or so, formally  
(going back to when I was an undergraduate majoring in linguistics),  
and even longer informally, so you're mistaken here. Besides, my gut  
has trouble managing the keyboard (as I am not an outie).

RLH:
> everyone is of course totally free to find my thesis (which of  
> course is not
> even mine, but widely and long adopted by much greater minds than  
> my own) nonsense.

It doesn't matter who has accepted it. This would be an argument from  
authority (if anyone ventured to make it) and so, of course,  
unacceptable.

RLH:
> However, his "pragmatic test" is neither a test nor pragmatic -- as  
> many of you
> undoubtedly immediately realized -- but merely fuzzy thinking. (Or  
> merely a joke ?)

Whereas this is not an argument at all. The technical term for what I  
offered, by the way, is a "thought experiment" (although it contained  
a joke, just to liven things up; everyone likes dead weasel jokes).

RLH:
> On the simple level : we were dealing with verbal communication,  
> not with (resultant) experience and action.

Information communicated mind to mind can be the grounds for action.  
That's what makes my example a pragmatic test (from Greek _pragma_,  
"deed, action").  One can see and otherwise experience actions;  
thoughts are harder to get direct evidence about.

RLH:
> I've no problem with disagreement, but at least we should keep the  
> argumentation relevant, don't you think ?

Yes. I gave an example in which meaning clearly passed from mind to  
mind, against your earlier assertion. I don't see anything in your  
response which is relevant to this.

JM("_Met._ 5.285: _fusca repurgato fugiebant nubila caelo_")P

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