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CLASSICS-L February 2006, Week 1

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Re: Meaning and obfuscation

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"Hunsucker, R.L." <[log in to unmask]>

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Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:47:37 +0100

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Thanks very much for this useful response. 

I *am* somewhat curious what "influentially arguing" could 
signify; strikes me as elliptical in any case. But that's a minor 
point. I know Davidson's work on this (especially the things 
republished in _Inquiries into truth & interpretation_, 2nd ed., 
2001), but he's not so influential at least that he's convinced 
me. Maybe it's just that I don't understand him.

You bring in, along with Davidson, the notion of truth -- 
something I really wanted to avoid. That makes the whole 
thing significantly more complicated, it seems to me; even 
more to the point, it doesn't seem to me to be directly 
relevant, not anyway to the point which I was (perhaps 
inelegantly) attempting to make.

- L. Hunsucker


> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Classical Greek and Latin Discussion Group
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]Namens Given, John
> Verzonden: vrijdag 3 februari 2006 14:53
> Aan: [log in to unmask]
> Onderwerp: Re: Meaning and obfuscation
> 
> 
> RLH wrote:
> > As far as JMP's gut reaction is concerned: everyone is of
> > course totally free to find my thesis (which of course is not
> > even mine, but widely and long adopted by much greater
> > minds than my own) nonsense. However, his "pragmatic
> > test" is neither a test nor pragmatic -- as many of you
> > undoubtedly immediately realized -- but merely fuzzy
> > thinking. (Or merely a joke ?) On the simple level : we were
> > dealing with verbal communication, not with (resultant)
> > experience and action.
> 
> I would not agree that RLH's thesis of private subjective 
> meaning--of a
> Wittgensteinian private language--is so widely accepted.  Donald
> Davidson, for one, influentially argues that language, action 
> and, yes,
> meaning are impossible unless multiple subjects are able to 
> communicate
> successfully.  Subjectivity is impossible without intersubjectivity.
> For (to simplify greatly), in order to form a belief that one's own
> beliefs and meanings are true, one must have verification 
> that they can
> be communicated successfully to others.  Without communication,
> subjective meaning is empty.  As he writes, "The point isn't that
> consensus defines the concept of truth but that it creates 
> the space for
> its application.  If this is right, then thought as well as 
> language is
> necessarily social" (_Subjective, Intersubjective, 
> Objective_, 2001, p.
> 129).
> 
> John G.
> 

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